tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5925703452051453468.post9219864826111330830..comments2024-03-24T06:46:27.842+00:00Comments on UK Rail: Lewisham JunctionStephen Colebournehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01454237967846880639noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5925703452051453468.post-19278990829108262652014-08-06T19:10:02.645+01:002014-08-06T19:10:02.645+01:00Bit late I know, but part of the answer to your qu...Bit late I know, but part of the answer to your question is they are going to Denmark Hill to get overground and other services. Denmark hill makes it possible to commute to places like Clapham and other parts of south/SW London avoiding central interchanges.Dolly Rottenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12272705143980284180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5925703452051453468.post-29267802441918629442013-02-23T23:39:35.814+00:002013-02-23T23:39:35.814+00:00The real question for me is why they get off the C...The real question for me is why they get off the Charing Cross service to change for a Victoria one? The major employment areas are equally accessible, if not more accessible, from Waterloo East and Charing Cross. Victoria, is really not the most central of London termini. Perhaps, those people are going somewhere else? Denmark Hill hospital traffic? Peckham shopping? Maybe you can enlighten us, because it seems like an orbital route, not a radial one to me.<br /><br />There is more that can be done to make Lewisham Junction interesting, but it requires more blogging time!Stephen Colebournehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01454237967846880639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5925703452051453468.post-6110200841266327622013-01-06T00:46:14.110+00:002013-01-06T00:46:14.110+00:00My main objection to this kind of proposal is that...My main objection to this kind of proposal is that it limits the Lewisham Junction station's usefulness as a true interchange between National Rail services, which is why Clapham Junction is so successful. <br /><br />Every morning, people pile off Charing Cross-bound trains to switch to those headed for Victoria (which come from the Blackheath branch) and vice versa. With these proposals, that opportunity is gone. <br /><br />And on top of that, with Lewisham North remaining open and still taking all the Blackheath-bound services (of which there are a lot, as the line splits after Blackheath), the new Lewisham station would have, it seems, rather a low number of services, unless you make a bunch of the current 'fast' trains into stoppers, which seems unnecessary.<br /><br />I do also question how you would extend the DLR to the new Lewisham Junction station. The current DLR lines end at a main road. You'd have to get over (or under) it somehow, and that seems... difficult.SamBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10149436695556280325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5925703452051453468.post-876724663467370312012-11-30T14:56:50.204+00:002012-11-30T14:56:50.204+00:00I look forward to reading your ideas. I certianly ...I look forward to reading your ideas. I certianly agree that if you push everything underground you have more flexibility, but obviously that comes with a large cost, both purely financial and in political capital.<br /><br />I believe that the site above can work very effectively, effectively leaving the existing station to be primarily for the Blackheath route. I have other ideas for Hayes which aren't public yet. So, viewed as a single blog post it probably makes less sense than the complete plan I'm thinking of.Stephen Colebournehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01454237967846880639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5925703452051453468.post-79784224228763819852012-11-15T14:38:50.099+00:002012-11-15T14:38:50.099+00:00I'm not convinced. My view is that the station...I'm not convinced. My view is that the station *and* the junctions surrounding it are all part of the same problem. The four-track Lewisham bypass viaduct is a massive Edwardian fudge. All these structures combine to constrain Lewisham's town centre unnecessarily by ringing it with multiple viaducts and bridges / pigeon nesting sites. A key problem is that damned bypass, which inherently reduces Lewisham's value as an interchange, affecting the CBR for any extensions to tube lines and the like via the station itself. Any new station *must* provide a complete interchange solution, with future-proofing for any propose / planned extensions through the site.<br /><br />I don't have a blog, so I don't have anywhere to post maps and pictures, but my preferred solution is a 'big bang' multi-stakeholder, multi-phase regional project that would provide massive benefits not just for rail and (future) tube routes through the area, but also offer more opportunities for regeneration and development (which help to pay for it all), as well as major improvements to the region's road and cycling infrastructure. All surrounding boroughs would benefit, not just Lewisham. Furthermore, TfL would gain major road improvements, as well as a more streamlined LOROL network, not to mention an better CBR for routing any Bakerloo line extension through Lewisham rather than elsewhere. <br /><br />Although it sounds like an outlandish concept at first, it actually makes more sense than any locally-focused alternatives, which tend to suffer from forcing NR and the local council to pay for (most of) it up-front all by themselves. <br /><br />My solution is to push as much of the railway infrastructure in the area underground. And I really do mean all of it, including the many approaches and junctions. I'll post a full proposal on my website as soon as I've drawn the necessary diagrams. (The text is done.)<br /><br />Sean Baggaleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05566198834315094334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5925703452051453468.post-32255621684039310642012-07-18T16:50:12.123+01:002012-07-18T16:50:12.123+01:00Thats why the regeneration aspect is so important....Thats why the regeneration aspect is so important. That tends to be what drives larger schemes.Stephen Colebournehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01454237967846880639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5925703452051453468.post-39870121938136133832012-07-18T15:57:10.281+01:002012-07-18T15:57:10.281+01:00i like it - but would take an enormous amount of p...i like it - but would take an enormous amount of political capital.dnolannenoreply@blogger.com